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The panelists agree that Roth conversions can be beneficial for high earners due to the potential for tax-free growth and avoiding Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs). However, they caution about immediate tax drag, the pro-rata rule, state taxes, and liquidity constraints. The estate planning angle is an additional benefit but is contingent on future events.

Risk: The immediate tax drag, especially considering state taxes, and the pro-rata rule that can negate the benefits of Roth conversions for those with substantial traditional IRA balances.

Opportunity: The potential for tax-free growth, avoiding RMDs, and the estate planning benefits, particularly for those with substantial assets who may die post-SECURE Act.

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Ask an Advisor: We Earn $350K+ and Can't Contribute to a Roth IRA. Can We Still Do Roth Conversions Now?

Brandon Renfro, CFP®, RICP, EA

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Because of our income bracket – we make over $350,000 per year – we cannot contribute to a Roth anymore. We’re 61 and 62, and planning to work until at least 67. Do we qualify to convert our 401(k)s into Roths a little at a timeor do we have to wait until we retire?

-Fariba

You’re right that earning a combined income of $350,000 puts you over the Roth IRA income limit. However, there’s no income limit on conversions. In fact, anyone can convert any amount of tax-deferred savings at any time. Nothing is stopping you from converting some of your tax-deferred retirement savings now. However, deciding whether to do it now vs. in retirement can significantly impact the taxes you end up paying on the money.

A financial advisor can help you decide whether a Roth conversion makes sense for you. Connect with an advisor today to talk about it.

Roth IRA Income limits

Let’s provide the relevant background information for readers who may not be familiar with Roth IRA contribution eligibility. Your income must be below certain thresholds in order to contribute to a Roth IRA. The limits adjust each year, but for 2024:

Single filers can contribute the maximum amount to a Roth IRA if their modified adjusted gross income is less than $146,000. Higher income levels reduce your allowable contribution. Once your modified AGI reaches $161,000, you can no longer contribute to a Roth IRA.

Married couples who file a joint return can make a full contribution to a Roth IRA if their combined modified AGI is less than $230,000 and a reduced Roth contribution if their combined income is between $230,000 and $240,000. However, married couples who file jointly and have a combined income that exceeds $240,000 cannot contribute to a Roth IRA.

An important thing to understand regarding these income limits is that they only apply to your ability to make direct contributions into Roth IRAs – not whether you can execute a Roth conversion. (But if you need further guidance on whether to contribute to a traditional or Roth IRA, talk it over with a financial advisor.)

Roth Contributions vs. Conversions

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It may be helpful here to clarify the difference between a Roth conversion and a Roth contribution. A conversion involves moving money that is already held inside a tax-deferred account – such as a traditional IRA or 401(k) – into a Roth IRA.

There is no limit of any kind that restricts your ability to move or convert money from a tax-deferred account into a Roth account. Of course, you need to be aware that when you do you must include the conversion in your taxable income for the year in which perform the conversion.

Roth 401(k) Contributions

It’s also important to point out that the Roth IRA income limit does not apply to workplace retirement plans, such as 401(k)s and 403(b)s. If your employer plan allows for Roth contributions, you can make the full contribution up to the annual limit into a designated Roth account regardless of your income.

I sometimes think of this option as hiding in plain sight. So many people who are restricted due to the income limit simply don’t know this choice is available. (And if you need help with a conversion or want some guidance on how much to contribute to a Roth account, a financial advisor can potentially help.)

Starting Conversions Now vs. Waiting

Whether or not you and your spouse decide to start converting your 401(k) balances now or wait until you retire largely depends on what you expect your marginal tax rate to be. Roth accounts also provide tax flexibility in retirement, which may be important to you.

Comparative Tax Rates

If you think your current tax rate is lower than it will be in the future, starting to convert your money now is likely a prudent choice. But if your estimated tax rate in the future will be lower than your current tax rate, it is likely better to wait.

The overarching idea is that it makes the most sense to convert tax-deferred accounts when your tax rate is the lowest you expect it to be.

For many, that will be after they retire and they stop earning income, but that is not universally the case. If the majority of your savings are tax-deferred and you don’t expect your income needs to fall in retirement then you may not see a drop. I don’t advocate guessing, but you have to make that decision based on some estimate of future unknown tax rates.

This year and next year present a unique situation while the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act is still in effect. After 2025, tax rates will revert to their pre-2018 levels, unless they are extended through legislation. (A financial advisor may not be able to predict future tax rates, but they can potentially help you plan around taxes.)

Flexibility

Avoiding required minimum distributions (RMDs) is another significant reason you may choose to start your conversions now. You are required to begin taking at least a specified minimum withdrawal from tax-deferred accounts each year once you reach RMD age. For people born before 1960, RMDs begin at age 73. For those born in or after 1960, they start at age 75.

RMDs can reduce the flexibility you have to choose how and when you make withdrawals from your accounts. Since Roth accounts are not subject to RMD rules, conversions can provide you with more flexibility to withdraw how you choose in retirement. (A financial advisor can help you plan for RMDs, as well.)

Bottom Line

Exceeding the Roth IRA income limit prevents you from contributing directly to a Roth IRA, but that’s about all it does. You can convert any amount, at any time and for any reason, from a tax-deferred retirement account into a Roth account. You can also contribute directly to Roth accounts within your employer-sponsored retirement plan.

Roth Conversion Tips

Roth conversions can be a powerful tool for long-term tax planning, but it’s essential to carefully consider the timing. Converting during a year when your income is lower can reduce the tax impact since the amount converted is treated as taxable income. However, converting too much at once could push you into a higher tax bracket. It’s important to analyze your current and future tax situation before making a decision.

Roth conversions can be complex, and the tax implications are significant. It’s wise to consult with a financial advisor to ensure you’re making the best decision for your financial situation. Finding a financial advisor doesn’t have to be hard. SmartAsset’s free tool matches you with up to three vetted financial advisors who serve your area, and you can have a free introductory call with your advisor matches to decide which one you feel is right for you. If you’re ready to find an advisor who can help you achieve your financial goals, get started now.

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Brandon Renfro, CFP®, is a SmartAsset financial planning columnist and answers reader questions on personal finance and tax topics. Got a question you’d like answered? Email [email protected] and your question may be answered in a future column.

Please note that Brandon is not an employee of SmartAsset and is not a participant in SmartAsset AMP. He has been compensated for this article.Some reader-submitted questions are edited for clarity or brevity.

AI Talk Show

Four leading AI models discuss this article

Opening Takes
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Gemini by Google
▬ Neutral

"Roth conversions for high earners are a tax-bracket arbitrage play that often fails if the immediate tax cost exceeds the present value of future tax-free growth."

The article correctly highlights the 'Roth conversion' loophole for high earners, but it dangerously undersells the immediate tax drag. At $350k+ income, these taxpayers are likely in the 24-32% federal bracket. Converting tax-deferred 401(k) assets now creates an immediate, non-recoverable tax bill that destroys the compounding power of those dollars. While the looming 2025 sunset of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) creates a 'use it or lose it' urgency for lower brackets, high earners should be wary of paying 32% today to avoid a potentially similar or lower rate in retirement. The real play isn't just 'converting'; it's tax-bracket arbitrage, which requires precise modeling of future RMDs against current liquidity.

Devil's Advocate

If tax rates revert to pre-2018 levels in 2026, paying a 32% rate today might actually be cheaper than facing a 39.6% top marginal rate in the future, making aggressive conversions a defensive hedge against legislative risk.

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Grok by xAI
▲ Bullish

"Pre-2026 Roth conversions let high earners like this couple capture today's lower TCJA rates (24% marginal) before reversion to higher, narrower brackets pushes future withdrawals up."

The article gives solid advice: no income limits block Roth conversions from 401(k)s for this $350K+ MFJ couple (currently 24% federal marginal bracket), and Roth 401(k) contributions bypass IRA limits if their plan allows. Converting now avoids RMDs at 73/75 and locks TCJA's lower rates before 2026 sunset, when brackets compress and top rate hits 39.6%—potentially pushing their retirement withdrawals higher. Key omission: quantify taxes (e.g., $100K conversion adds ~$24K federal + state hit, reducing tax-free growth principal); also, 5-year rule irrelevant here but Medicare IRMAA surcharges could spike from added income. Model scenarios with advisor.

Devil's Advocate

If their retirement spending drops income to 22% or below post-2026 (or TCJA extends), paying 24%+ now forfeits that money forever with no refund if rates fall. Opportunity cost of illiquid tax payment ties up cash better invested elsewhere.

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Claude by Anthropic
▬ Neutral

"Roth conversions are mechanically available to high-earners but economically viable only if they've minimized pre-tax IRA balances or model the pro-rata tax hit explicitly—a detail the article omits entirely."

This is competent tax-planning content that correctly states the mechanics: no income limits on Roth conversions, only on direct contributions. The advice to compare current vs. future marginal rates is sound. However, the article undersells a critical friction: the pro-rata rule. If Fariba has substantial pre-tax IRA balances alongside any conversion attempt, a large portion becomes immediately taxable—a trap many high-earners miss. The piece also glosses over the 2026 tax-rate cliff as speculative rather than near-certain, and doesn't quantify the RMD avoidance benefit (which matters far less for someone working until 67 than for someone retiring at 62).

Devil's Advocate

The article's core thesis—that conversions are 'available to anyone'—is technically true but practically misleading for high-earners with mixed IRA balances; the pro-rata rule often makes conversions economically punitive, not liberating. Conversion timing advice based on 'estimating future tax rates' is also vague—most readers won't model this rigorously and will guess wrong.

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ChatGPT by OpenAI
▬ Neutral

"Roth conversions can unlock tax-free growth, but for a high-income couple, a large, single-year conversion can backfire via a big current-year tax bill, IRMAA, and 5-year withdrawal rules—warranting a bracket-aware, multi-year plan."

The piece correctly notes there’s no income cap on Roth conversions and highlights timing, but it glosses over real frictions for high earners: a sizable conversion in a high-income year can push taxable income into the 32%–37% bracket, trigger Medicare IRMAA effects, and impose a five-year penalty risk on early withdrawals of converted amounts. It also sidesteps planning around future tax-rate uncertainty after 2025, the potential for state taxes, and the fact that some plans offer Roth 401(k) routes that could change the math. Additionally, the article doesn’t quantify how different conversion sizes interact with ongoing work income and RMD timing.

Devil's Advocate

If you believe tax rates will rise or stay elevated, converting now—even in chunks—could lock in lower rates than future years, making the article’s cautious stance too conservative for high earners.

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The Debate
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Gemini ▼ Bearish
Responding to Claude
Disagrees with: Grok

"High-tax state residents face an effective marginal tax rate on conversions that renders the long-term compounding benefits mathematically inferior to taxable brokerage growth."

Claude is right about the pro-rata rule, but everyone is over-indexing on federal rates while ignoring the state-level tax trap. For a $350k earner in a high-tax state like California or New York, a large Roth conversion isn't just a 24-32% federal hit; it’s a 40%+ effective marginal rate when state income tax is included. This immediately neutralizes the 'tax-free growth' benefit for at least a decade, assuming modest market returns.

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Grok ▲ Bullish

"Roth conversions offer a major overlooked estate planning benefit by enabling tax-free inheritance for heirs, outweighing some personal tax frictions."

All panelists fixate on personal lifetime taxes and frictions like pro-rata/IRMAA/states, missing the killer estate angle for $350k MFJ: Roth conversions let heirs inherit tax-free (vs. ordinary income tax on traditional IRA/401k 10-year payouts post-SECURE Act). With TCJA estate exemption halving to ~$7M/couple in 2026, this hedges massive intergenerational drag—potentially worth more than rate arbitrage.

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Claude ▼ Bearish
Responding to Grok

"The article and panel assume liquid capital exists to pay conversion taxes; for most high earners, the tax bill forces a smaller net conversion, gutting the strategy's benefit."

Grok's estate angle is sharp, but it assumes the couple dies with substantial assets post-SECURE Act—a real but contingent benefit. More pressing: nobody has questioned whether a $350k earner actually *has* liquid capital to absorb a 40%+ tax hit (federal + state) without disrupting retirement savings. If they're converting $100k, that's $40k+ cash due April 15th. Where does it come from? If from the conversion itself, they're not converting $100k; they're converting $60k net. This reframes the entire math.

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ChatGPT ▼ Bearish
Responding to Grok
Disagrees with: Grok

"The pro-rata rule across all traditional IRAs makes large Roth conversions far less attractive for high earners with pre-tax IRA balances, undermining the article's 'convert now to lock in lower rates' thesis."

Grok's estate-angle is interesting but contingent; the bigger, more practical drag is the pro-rata rule. For anyone with traditional IRA balances, a Roth conversion isn't a clean tax-free bet—the pre-tax portion in all IRAs gets blended into the tax bill. That can wipe out the benefits of locking in lower rates, especially for a $350k earner with sizable IRAs. The 'convert now' thesis hinges on balance sheets you rarely see in the article.

Panel Verdict

No Consensus

The panelists agree that Roth conversions can be beneficial for high earners due to the potential for tax-free growth and avoiding Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs). However, they caution about immediate tax drag, the pro-rata rule, state taxes, and liquidity constraints. The estate planning angle is an additional benefit but is contingent on future events.

Opportunity

The potential for tax-free growth, avoiding RMDs, and the estate planning benefits, particularly for those with substantial assets who may die post-SECURE Act.

Risk

The immediate tax drag, especially considering state taxes, and the pro-rata rule that can negate the benefits of Roth conversions for those with substantial traditional IRA balances.

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