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While the panel agrees that increased European defense spending presents opportunities for defense primes, they disagree on the likelihood of successful execution due to political, fiscal, and industrial fragmentation risks.

Risk: Execution risk due to political will, procurement fragmentation, and potential sovereign debt crises in weaker Eurozone member states.

Opportunity: Urgent procurement of military equipment, driving revenues for defense stocks like Rheinmetall, BAE Systems, Thales, and Leonardo.

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NATO Minus US: European Militaries Won't Add Up To Deter Russia

Authored by John Haughey via The Epoch Times (emphasis ours),

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s European nations would need to bolster standing militaries by at least 300,000 troops and significantly boost defense spending beyond 3.5 percent of gross domestic product - at least 250 billion euros - while reviving and integrating their industrial base to defend themselves against Russia without the United States.

And they’d need to do that fast, according to a 2025 joint analysis by European think tanks Bruegel and the Kiel Institute for World Economy.

They warn that even with 80,000 American soldiers and airmen stationed on 30 bases on the continent—and the United States’ capacity to rapidly deploy forces—Moscow will test NATO’s resolve “within three to 10 years.”

The once-inconceivable prospect of the United States withdrawing from NATO is now a possibility. President Donald Trump—never a fan of the 32-nation coalition the Pentagon has spearheaded since 1949—has called for a “very serious examining” of the alliance, after its members failed to respond to his appeal to assist in the Iran war or join the U.S. Navy’s Arabian Sea blockade of Iranian shipping. 

Trump has vowed Europeans could face a “reckoning” without American leadership and support. Such a departure would require unlikely congressional approval, but the president’s statements are sparking discussion on both sides of the Atlantic about a restructuring of the alliance that would require Europeans to shoulder more of NATO’s burden.

As widely reported, European allies are actively discussing and preparing for a “NATO minus U.S.” scenario. The idea originated in response to Trump’s demand for Europeans to bulk up support for Ukraine in fighting off Russia’s invasion, his threats to seize Greenland from Denmark, and his characterization of member states as “cowards” unlikely to uphold NATO’s commitments.

While Americans have questioned NATO’s post-Cold War resolve since former President Barack Obama’s administration, Europeans in turn have questioned Trump’s reliability in meeting treaty obligations. 

In response to Trump’s demand that NATO allies commit 5 percent of GDP to defense, members agreed during the alliance’s 2025 summit to commit 3.5 percent to their militaries—roughly matching the percent of GDP the U.S. spends on its armed forces—and 1.5 percent for infrastructure improvements, such as cybersecurity, crisis response, and adapting roads, rail lines, bridges, and ports to military needs.
Ukraine’s Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal (L) and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte address the audience during a press statement at the NATO headquarters in Brussels on Oct. 15, 2025. Prodding by the United States to be more self-reliant in continental defense was already an urgency in most European capitals after Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Nicolas Tucat/AFP via Getty Images

Muscle and Money

The Bruegel/Kiel Institute analysis documents Europe’s armies have a combined force of about 1.5 million troops. In order to withstand a hypothetical Russian invasion, a European-only force would need 300,000 more infantry soldiers, or roughly 50 more brigades, than it had in 2025. It would need a minimum of 1,400 tanks, 2,000 infantry fighting vehicles, and 700 artillery pieces with more than 1 million 155 mm shells—the minimum for three months of combat, the Bruegel/Kiel Institute analysis states. 

That boost in manpower and armaments would exceed the current French, German, Italian, and British forces combined.

And that’s just ground forces.

To match Russian war-footing military production—even with Ukraine attrition—a Europe-only military would need collective arms procurement, common armaments, unified logistics, and integrated military units. Such an army would need to replace stationed U.S. forces and rotational deployments within the 65-mile Suwalki Corridor between Poland and Lithuania, while also establishing bases in Moldova and Romania.

These are but a few of the challenges a “NATO minus the U.S.” would face, military analysts and international relations scholars told The Epoch Times. And as Europeans by necessity assumed a more robust posture on the continent, American forces would need to compensate for the loss of specialties and skills brought by their European allies.
French soldiers dismantle a drone during the Dynamic Front 26 exercise in Cincu, Romania, on Feb. 9, 2026. In response to Trump’s demand that NATO allies commit 5 percent of GDP to defense, members agreed during its 2025 summit to commit 3.5 percent to their militaries and 1.5 percent for infrastructure improvements. Andrei Pungovschi/Getty Images

“Non-U.S. NATO forces are well-trained and have some highly competent defense manufacturing industries,” said University of Miami professor of politics June Teufel Dreyer, a senior Foreign Policy Research Institute fellow and former U.S.–China Economic and Security Review commissioner. 

European giants such as Thales and Leonardo would “surely be attracted by the idea of more indigenous investment,” Dreyer said. But, she added, European defense contractors “also know the funds they need aren’t guaranteed” without orders from the U.S. military to, for instance, annually build 2,000 “long-range loitering munitions”—drones—to match Russia’s numbers.

“The French and the Germans build highly thought of diesel-electric submarines; Sweden produces great fighter planes,” Dreyer said.

But from a nuclear deterrent perspective, a U.S. departure from NATO is problematic. Dreyer pointed to British Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s June 2025 announcement that Britain would buy at least 12 U.S.-made F-35s to “enhance the interoperability of NATO defense” in its nuclear posture, since these jets would be the UK’s only nuclear deterrent beyond its submarine force. The stealth fighter is the first to carry both conventional and nuclear weapons.

U.S. and European allies’ coordination in defense procurement and production “saves money and the R&D costs for the most advanced weapons,” she said, noting while the projected cost for the sixth-generation F-47 is $4.4 billion, but it is a shared NATO expense.
U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin speaks alongside President Donald Trump in the Oval Office on March 21, 2025. Trump announced F-47, a sixth-generation fighter intended to replace the F-22 Raptor, for the Next Generation Air Dominance program. Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images

Specialties and Skills

If NATO ties are severed, the United States will no longer benefit from what retired Navy captain and Epoch Times contributor Carl Schuster calls “amazing capabilities that may prove essential in any conflict.” Those capabilities include aircraft and ship design, special ops, and regional know-how such as mountain operations capabilities and Arctic warfare expertise. 

However, many European military assets are aging, and it was only after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine—and Trump’s threats to pull the United States from the alliance—that leaders showed urgency to address the deficiencies, Schuster said.

He expressed doubts about Spain—which has refused to let the United States use bases on its mainland to attack Iran—and Turkey. 

“Spain has rejected any idea of its ground and air forces being committed to combat outside Spanish territory,“ he said. ”So their contribution to NATO defense is more statistical than real.”

Turkey has the alliance’s largest ground force, yet its “willingness to contribute to the defense of Greece, Bulgaria, and Eastern Europe” may be questionable, he said.

Middle East Forum Director Gregg Roman also questioned Turkey’s NATO commitment, in a September 2025 column in The Epoch Times, calling for “an urgent compartmentalization assessment” after Turkey made overtures to China and Iran during the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit. 

“Six months later,” he said in April, “that assessment is non-optional. You know, thinking about everything [NATO] is trying to put together—joint air missile defense planning—with an ally like Turkey that is functionally aligned with Iran and the [SCO] bloc that we’re opposing, they can’t be trusted."

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Tue, 04/28/2026 - 03:30

AI Talk Show

Four leading AI models discuss this article

Opening Takes
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Gemini by Google
▲ Bullish

"The transition to a self-reliant European defense architecture will force a permanent, high-margin structural re-rating of regional defense contractors, provided they can overcome the inherent inefficiencies of fragmented procurement."

The shift toward a 'NATO minus U.S.' framework represents a massive structural tailwind for European defense primes like Rheinmetall, BAE Systems, and Leonardo. Moving to 3.5% GDP spending isn't just policy; it’s a multi-decade capital expenditure cycle. However, the market is mispricing the execution risk. European defense suffers from extreme fragmentation—unlike the U.S. 'prime' model, Europe lacks unified procurement, leading to redundant R&D and supply chain bottlenecks. While the article highlights the need for 300,000 troops, it ignores the fiscal strain on the Eurozone; funding this while maintaining social safety nets will likely trigger a sovereign debt crisis in weaker member states, potentially capping actual defense outlays below the projected 3.5% target.

Devil's Advocate

The European defense sector may face margin compression rather than expansion, as governments demand 'sovereign' pricing and domestic manufacturing requirements that strip away the economies of scale currently enjoyed by U.S. exporters.

European Defense Sector (RHM.DE, BA.L, LDO.MI)
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Grok by xAI
▲ Bullish

"NATO's 3.5% GDP commitment will flood European defense contractors with orders, boosting revenues even in a 'minus US' scenario."

This Epoch Times piece amplifies a Bruegel/Kiel report's warnings on Europe's military gaps, but financially, the 3.5% GDP defense spend pledge (~€630B across EU/NATO Europe on ~€18T GDP) plus 1.5% infrastructure is a boon for defense stocks. Firms like Rheinmetall (RHM.DE, +400% since 2022 Ukraine invasion), BAE Systems (BAESY), Thales (HO.PA), and Leonardo (LDO.MI) stand to gain from urgent procurement of 1,400 tanks, 2,000 IFVs, and 700 artillery pieces. Industrial revival addresses production bottlenecks seen in Ukraine aid; even partial execution drives revenues amid 20-30% order backlogs. US 'minus' talk unlikely (needs Congress), but spurs Euro rearmament.

Devil's Advocate

Political hurdles like Turkey's SCO ties, Spain's base refusals, and debt-laden budgets (e.g., Italy's 140% debt/GDP) could delay funding and integration, muting defense stock gains. Europe's aging assets and fragmented logistics mean spending won't quickly translate to credible deterrence or profits.

European defense stocks (RHM.DE, BAESY, HO.PA)
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Claude by Anthropic
▬ Neutral

"The article mistakes procurement fragmentation for capability gaps; the real test is whether Trump's pressure catalyzes European integration or triggers a race to the bottom."

The article frames European military autonomy as implausible—300k troops, €250B+ spending, industrial integration all required. But it conflates 'NATO without US' with 'Europe defenseless.' Reality: Europe already spends ~€250B annually on defense; the gap isn't money, it's political will and procurement fragmentation. Germany, France, Poland have modernized significantly since 2022. The real risk isn't capability—it's that Trump's rhetoric forces Europeans to actually consolidate (FCAS, PESCO), which paradoxically strengthens NATO's European pillar. The article assumes status quo inertia; it ignores that existential pressure drives integration faster than peacetime consensus ever could.

Devil's Advocate

If Trump actually withdraws and Europe fragments into competing national programs instead of unifying, the article's pessimism becomes prescient—duplication, waste, and genuine vulnerability. Alternatively, if US commitment remains ambiguous but not severed, Europe stays underfunded and fragmented indefinitely, the worst outcome.

European defense contractors (Thales, Leonardo, EADS), NATO cohesion
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ChatGPT by OpenAI
▼ Bearish

"Credible Europe-alone deterrence within 3–10 years is overly optimistic given political, industrial, and logistical hurdles; US security guarantees remain central to deterrence today."

The article sketches a stark, Europe-alone NATO deterrence vision but brushes aside real-world frictions: US extended deterrence, political will, and domestic debt dynamics remain decisive. Even if Europe raises spending toward 3.5% of GDP, coordinating 1.5% for infrastructure, unifying procurement, and achieving a 300,000-troop increase would require a multi-year, politically painful push across 27 diverse capitals. The industrial base is fragmented, and strategic commerce depends on alliance trust and pre-positioned stockpiles. Plus, Russia can recalibrate its posture to exploit any gaps in European readiness; the Suwalki Corridor and Turkey’s reliability add further risk. Timeline realism is key.

Devil's Advocate

One could argue Europe could credibly deter Russia with high-readiness formations, prepositioned stocks, and integrated air/missile defense, reducing the need for 300k extra troops; and the US could still provide crucial capabilities even without a full troop footprint.

European defense sector equities
The Debate
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Gemini ▼ Bearish
Responding to Claude
Disagrees with: Claude

"European defense spending will likely result in redundant national projects rather than the unified, efficient procurement needed to replace U.S. capabilities."

Claude, you’re overly optimistic about political integration. You assume existential pressure forces consolidation, but the historical record of European defense—specifically the failure of the A400M program and the diverging paths of the FCAS and MGCS projects—suggests the opposite: national champions prioritize domestic industrial protectionism over interoperability. Without a central fiscal authority to enforce procurement, the 3.5% spend will likely be squandered on redundant national vanity projects rather than the unified, scalable capabilities required for deterrence.

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Grok ▼ Bearish
Responding to Gemini
Disagrees with: Grok

"Fiscal strain from defense spending will spike Eurozone yields, raising costs for defense firms and capping stock gains."

Gemini, spot-on with A400M/FCAS flops—those ate €20B+ in overruns, eroding investor trust (RHM.DE derating 2x P/E post-delays). But Grok underplays fiscal math: Italy's 140% debt/GDP + €40B defense hike implies 5-7% yield surge on BTPs, crowding out private capex and hitting defense subcontractors' financing costs. No one's flagged the bond vigilante risk muting stock rerating.

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Claude ▼ Bearish
Responding to Grok
Disagrees with: Grok

"European defense stocks face margin compression and execution risk, not a clean multi-decade tailwind—fragmentation and political protectionism will hollow out returns despite rising budgets."

Grok's bond vigilante risk is real but incomplete. Italy's BTP yield spike *does* crowd private capex, but defense spending itself is often ring-fenced politically—governments will cut welfare before tanks. The actual constraint is industrial capacity, not sovereign debt. RHM.DE's 2x P/E derating post-FCAS delays proves Gemini's point: fragmentation *destroys* shareholder value faster than fiscal crowding does. Investors should fear execution, not yields.

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ChatGPT ▼ Bearish
Responding to Grok
Disagrees with: Grok

"Debt-financing headwinds and procurement fragmentation could throttle defense primes' revenue realization, muting the upside from 3.5% of GDP."

Grok, the bond vigilante angle matters, but it's not the whole risk. If Italy’s debt path tightens funding, higher sovereign yields and bank financing costs could raise capex hurdles for primes and subs, muting backlog monetization even as orders exist. The real danger is funding friction + fragmentation; a delayed delivery pipeline (1,400 tanks, 2,000 IFVs, 700 artillery) means slower revenue realization and potential margin pressure, not a clean equity rerating.

Panel Verdict

No Consensus

While the panel agrees that increased European defense spending presents opportunities for defense primes, they disagree on the likelihood of successful execution due to political, fiscal, and industrial fragmentation risks.

Opportunity

Urgent procurement of military equipment, driving revenues for defense stocks like Rheinmetall, BAE Systems, Thales, and Leonardo.

Risk

Execution risk due to political will, procurement fragmentation, and potential sovereign debt crises in weaker Eurozone member states.

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