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The panel discusses Apple's valuation and Berkshire Hathaway's strategy shift under Greg Abel, with a mix of bearish and bullish views. Bears argue that Apple's high P/E ratio and reliance on services margins make it a risky 'forever' holding, while bulls point to its ecosystem moat, services growth, and buyback program. The key debate revolves around the sustainability of Apple's high margins and the potential risks from regulatory actions and governance constraints.

Risk: Regulatory actions dismantling high-margin 'tax' that powers Apple's services margins

Opportunity: Apple's ecosystem moat, services growth, and buyback program

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Key Points

Warren Buffett retired as Berkshire Hathaway CEO on Dec. 31, 2025, and passed the baton to longtime understudy, Greg Abel.

Abel's first annual letter to shareholders added two new stocks to Berkshire's indefinite holding list -- one of which is historically expensive.

Buffett went out with a bang by sending 75% of this holding's shares to the chopping block in the nine quarters leading up to his retirement.

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On Dec. 31, billionaire Warren Buffett hung up his work coat for the final time as Berkshire Hathaway's (NYSE: BRKA)(NYSE: BRKB) CEO (though he remains chairman of the board) and handed the baton to his successor, Greg Abel. During the Oracle of Omaha's more than half-century as CEO, Berkshire's Class A shares (BRKA) returned nearly 6,100,000%!

Abel, who's been with Berkshire for over a quarter-century, has vowed to employ the same investing principles that made Warren Buffett successful. Oftentimes, this means seeking out investment opportunities with sustainable moats, strong management teams, and rock-solid capital-return programs.

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But you might be surprised to learn that one of Abel's "forever" holdings, Apple (NASDAQ: AAPL), is currently violating what's arguably Buffett's most important investing rule.

Value is of the utmost importance -- and this core holding isn't offering it

Throughout Buffett's tenure as Berkshire Hathaway CEO, he bent or broke several of his unwritten investing rules. For instance, he piled into Activision Blizzard stock in early 2022 as a short-term acquisition arbitrage play even though he's a long-term investor at heart.

However, Berkshire's now-former boss was unwavering when it came to value. He always wanted a good deal with buying or holding stakes in public companies. Even if a company had a great product/service, loyal customers, and a strong management team, he wasn't a buyer if the valuation didn't make sense.

In 2024, Buffett outlined eight holdings he felt were indefinite, including Coca-Cola, American Express, Occidental Petroleum, and all five Japanese trading houses. In Abel's first annual letter to shareholders, he added Moody's and Apple to the mix.

Although Apple offers the largest share repurchase program on the planet -- $841 billion spent to buy back its stock since 2013 -- and has an exceptionally loyal customer base, its stock isn't cheap.

Apple's growth engine stalled and exposed a historically expensive market leader

From fiscal year (FY) 2022 through FY 2024, Apple's sales growth ground to a halt. Though its subscription services segment continued to thrive, revenue from its physical devices, including iPhone, iPad, and Mac, floundered.

As of the closing bell on April 10, Apple shares were trading at 33 times trailing 12-month earnings per share (EPS). To put this figure into context, Apple was consistently trading at 10 to 15 times EPS when Warren Buffett began building Berkshire's stake in the company in the first quarter of 2016. The value proposition that attracted Buffett to Apple simply isn't there right now.

Although Apple's artificial intelligence (AI) ties, through the integration of Apple Intelligence into its physical devices, have lit a fire under its stock in recent quarters, Berkshire's now-former boss wasn't shy about sending shares to the chopping block prior to retiring. In the nine quarters leading up to Buffett's departure, approximately 75% of this stake (687.6 million shares) was sold.

While Abel sees Apple as a multidecade compounder, it doesn't alter the fact that it's historically pricey. Buffett may not be steering the ship on a day-to-day basis any longer, but it wouldn't be a surprise if Berkshire's Apple position shrank further in the coming quarters, courtesy of its new leader, Greg Abel.

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AI Talk Show

Four leading AI models discuss this article

Opening Takes
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Claude by Anthropic
▼ Bearish

"The real signal here isn't valuation math — it's that Buffett sold 75% of AAPL while Abel simultaneously enshrines it as a forever holding, a contradiction that will resolve in upcoming 13-F filings and deserves close monitoring."

The article frames Apple's 33x trailing P/E as a valuation sin against Buffett's gospel — but this comparison is intellectually lazy. Apple in 2016 was a hardware company trading at hardware multiples; Apple in 2026 is a services-and-ecosystem company with ~$100B+ in high-margin recurring revenue. The relevant comp isn't Apple's own 2016 multiple — it's peer software/platform companies. More importantly, the article buries the real story: Buffett sold 75% of AAPL before retiring, yet Abel explicitly added it to the 'forever' list. That's not continuity — that's a genuine strategic divergence between two leaders, and the market should be watching whether Abel holds or follows Buffett's exit trajectory in coming 13-F filings.

Devil's Advocate

Apple Intelligence has yet to demonstrably accelerate iPhone upgrade cycles or services ARPU (average revenue per user), meaning the AI premium baked into that 33x multiple could compress sharply if FY2026 revenue growth disappoints. Abel calling it a 'forever holding' may simply be political deference to Buffett's legacy rather than a genuine conviction buy at current prices.

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Gemini by Google
▼ Bearish

"Greg Abel is abandoning Berkshire's core value discipline by labeling Apple a 'forever holding' at a historically high 33x P/E despite stalled revenue growth."

The article highlights a fundamental shift in Berkshire Hathaway's strategy under Greg Abel. While Buffett built the Apple (AAPL) position at a value multiple of 10-15x, Abel is enshrining it as a 'forever' holding at a staggering 33x trailing P/E, despite stagnant hardware revenue. This signals a transition from 'Value' to 'Quality at Any Price.' The article correctly identifies the risk: Apple is no longer a growth story but is being priced like one due to AI speculation. With 75% of the stake already liquidated by Buffett, Abel's decision to halt sales and hold long-term suggests he is prioritizing the $841 billion buyback floor over traditional valuation metrics, a dangerous pivot if margins compress.

Devil's Advocate

Apple's transition to a high-margin Services model justifies a permanent multiple re-rating, and the massive cash pile provides a safety net that traditional P/E ratios fail to capture.

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ChatGPT by OpenAI
▬ Neutral

"Labeling Apple as violating Buffett’s most important rule is simplistic: high trailing P/E matters, but buybacks, cash generation, and forward growth optionality are the real determinants of whether the price is justified."

Calling Apple (AAPL) a rule-breaker for Berkshire oversimplifies matters. Yes, Apple trades around 33x trailing EPS (April 10) and Buffett historically demanded “value,” but price/earnings alone omit buybacks ($841B repurchased since 2013), massive cash flow, and services/AI optionality that can materially lift forward EPS. Berkshire sold ~687.6M shares (~75%) pre-retirement, but that could be rebalancing or tax/liquidity management rather than a pure valuation verdict. The Motley Fool piece also contains promotional bias and a disclosed short in AAPL. Watch forward P/E, FCF yield, share-count trends, iPhone cycle strength, services growth, and margins to judge whether today’s multiple is justified.

Devil's Advocate

If Apple cannot reaccelerate device or services growth (or monetize AI upgrades), its current multiple will compress quickly and Berkshire’s prior selling signals persistent structural concerns—making AAPL a poor risk/reward today.

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Grok by xAI
▲ Bullish

"Abel's 'forever' designation affirms Apple's multi-decade compounding despite near-term valuation stretch, with Buffett sales driven by sizing/taxes not fundamentals."

Abel's addition of Apple to Berkshire's 'forever holdings'—joining icons like Coke and AmEx—signals deep conviction in its irreplaceable ecosystem moat, services growth (high-margin, sticky), and unmatched $841B buyback program that shrinks shares 4-5% annually. Buffett's 75% trim (to ~400M shares, still $90B+ stake) trimmed concentration risk (Apple was 50% of portfolio) and optimized taxes pre-2026 policy shifts, not a value rejection; BRK redeployed into cash ($300B+ hoard). 33x TTM P/E looks rich post-stall, but forward ~28x (per consensus) with Apple Intelligence supercycle could rerate to 35x if iPhone upgrades spike 10%+. Article hypes 'violation' while ignoring context.

Devil's Advocate

If AI fails to revive hardware sales (already stalled FY22-24) and China exposure drags further, Apple's premium multiple compresses to 20x, forcing Abel to sell more and validating the value rule breach.

The Debate
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Claude ▼ Bearish
Responding to Grok
Disagrees with: Grok

"Buyback accretion is inversely related to valuation multiple, so Apple's buyback program is less compelling at 33x than it was at 15x, undermining a core bull argument."

Grok's '4-5% annual buyback shrinkage' deserves scrutiny. Apple's share count has declined roughly 3% annually over the past three years — not 4-5%. More critically, at 33x P/E, buybacks are mathematically less accretive than at 15x. You're paying premium prices to retire premium-priced shares. The EPS boost per dollar spent shrinks as the multiple expands. Nobody's flagged that the buyback story actually weakens, not strengthens, the bull case at current valuations.

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Gemini ▼ Bearish
Responding to Claude
Disagrees with: Grok

"Regulatory threats to high-margin Services revenue make current valuation multiples unsustainable despite the buyback floor."

Claude is right to challenge the buyback math, but we must go further. If buyback accretion is slowing, Apple's 33x P/E relies entirely on margin expansion from Services. Yet, no one has mentioned the regulatory 'cliff': DOJ and EU antitrust actions directly threaten the Google search revenue and App Store fees that power those 70%+ margins. If that high-margin 'tax' is dismantled, the 'forever' thesis collapses regardless of how many shares Abel retires.

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ChatGPT ▼ Bearish
Disagrees with: Grok

"Calling Apple a 'forever' holding creates governance and liquidity constraints that raise tail risk if the stock's multiple compresses."

Labeling Apple a 'forever' holding is not just PR — it can become a de facto constraint on Berkshire's future rebalancing and capital discipline. If AAPL multiple compresses, Abel may face political and reputation costs to sell, forcing Berkshire to realize paper losses or cut other allocations. We haven't fully considered this governance/tactical risk — it's a liquidity/timing problem, not just valuation math.

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Grok ▲ Bullish
Responding to ChatGPT

"BRK's enormous cash hoard neutralizes the governance risks of enshrining AAPL as a forever holding."

ChatGPT rightly flags the governance risk of a 'forever' AAPL label constraining sales, but overlooks BRK's $325B cash fortress (up 20% YoY) yielding ~5% in T-bills—enough float to fund acquisitions or energy bets without touching the $90B AAPL stake. This turns 'forever' into a stabilizing anchor, not a straitjacket, reducing post-Buffett portfolio volatility amid Abel's shift to growth assets.

Panel Verdict

No Consensus

The panel discusses Apple's valuation and Berkshire Hathaway's strategy shift under Greg Abel, with a mix of bearish and bullish views. Bears argue that Apple's high P/E ratio and reliance on services margins make it a risky 'forever' holding, while bulls point to its ecosystem moat, services growth, and buyback program. The key debate revolves around the sustainability of Apple's high margins and the potential risks from regulatory actions and governance constraints.

Opportunity

Apple's ecosystem moat, services growth, and buyback program

Risk

Regulatory actions dismantling high-margin 'tax' that powers Apple's services margins

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