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O painel está dividido sobre o pivot estratégico de Expand Energy (EXE) para contratos de energia de longo prazo. Enquanto alguns veem isso como um movimento defensivo que limita o aumento, outros argumentam que é necessário escapar dos descontos estruturais de base de Appalachia e captar preços premium. O consenso é misto, com preocupações com riscos de execução e a durabilidade dos termos de contrato premium.

Risco: O risco de que os contratos de energia de longo prazo não forneçam o aumento esperado ou se tornem anclas se a demanda de energia de data center se enfraquecer.

Oportunidade: A oportunidade de captar preços premium através de contratos de energia de longo prazo, dada a desvantagem estrutural de base de Appalachia.

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DATE

Wednesday, July 30, 2025 at 9 a.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

- President & Chief Executive Officer — Domenic J. Dell'Osso

- Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer — Mohit Singh

- Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer — Joshua J. Viets

- Executive Vice President, Marketing & Commercial — Daniel F. Turco

- Executive Vice President, Corporate Development — Chris Ayres

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Full Conference Call Transcript

Domenic J. Dell'Osso: Good morning, and thank you all for joining our call. When we combine Chesapeake and Southwestern to create Expand Energy, we did so with the intention of creating long-term value through reducing costs and developing a deep geographically diverse portfolio serving premium markets. Our business continues to deliver and outperform every expectation pegged at merger onset. We now expect to recognize approximately a 50% increase to annual synergies realizing $500 million and $600 million in 2025 and 2026, respectively. Relative to our expectations at the beginning of the year, this directly translates to approximately $425 million more free cash flow in 2025 and $500 million more in 2026 before accounting for NYMEX price changes.

Capturing synergies do not simply happen in a spreadsheet. We're drilling faster and smarter than ever before. Our team's innovative utilization of AI and machine learning is supporting record-breaking performance, as we drill the most productive wells in our collective company's histories. In Southwest Appalachia, we drilled the longest lateral well and measured depth by a single bit in U.S. land history. In Northeast Appalachia, our team improved its drilled footage per day by 62%. And in the Haynesville, our team improved footage drilled per day by 25%. Setting individual well records is nice, but delivering actual financial results that highlight these improvements is especially gratifying and is what creates sustainable value.

These tremendous efficiency gains, combined with the successful implementation of our productive capacity strategy, has allowed us to hit our production and well count targets with fewer rigs than originally forecasted. Overall, we've reduced our 2025 capital investments by approximately $100 million, while maintaining production of approximately 7.1 Bcfe per day and building approximately 300 million cubic feet equivalent per day of productive capacity to deploy in 2026 should market conditions warrant. Simply put, we're spending less while producing more, the very definition of capital-efficient operations. We're encouraged by the long-term demand outlook for our industry, and we're excited about the opportunities provided by our diversified portfolio.

We retain operational leverage to the largest gas demand center in North America through our Haynesville position. Within a 300-mile radius of our assets, there is more than 12 Bcf per day of LNG demand under construction to be in service by 2030. No other operator is better positioned to deliver gas into this demand complex, driving meaningful value creation over time. Next to LNG, power generation is the most attractive growth prospect through the end of the decade, especially for constrained basins like Pennsylvania, where we produce over 5 Bcf gross per day.

Our deep multi-basin portfolio with close access to demand centers and investment-grade balance sheet make us a preferred partner to deliver the energy needed to supply the growing LNG market and support data center power demand. We expect to have a meaningful portion of cash flows linked to lower volatility pricing over time, and we'll continue to assess all opportunities through a simple lens of making us better and creating a more attractive cash flow profile. We remain actively engaged with many parties today and any agreement we announced, whether LNG or power-related, will be accretive to our shareholders for the long term. In the short term, we expect market volatility to remain a prevailing theme in the space.

We view our investment-grade balance sheet as one of our most important strategic assets. Like any asset, we will periodically utilize capital to enhance and fortify its strength to perform through cycles. Our balance sheet can withstand cycles today, but we believe opportunistically using a portion of near-term cash flows will put us in an even greater position of strength in the future. With our improving cash flow profile, we're electing to increase our 2025 net debt reduction to $1 billion. In addition, we will be returning $585 million to shareholders in the first half of the year through our quarterly base dividend, variable dividend and share repurchases.

Should near-term cash flow ultimately retract, we retain the option to redirect and utilize our balance sheet's current strength to enhance returns. We firmly believe that our attractive and connected portfolio, diverse and agile production and resilient financial foundation equip us to thrive in today's macro landscape. We look forward to continuing to update you on our progress. And operator, we'll now open the call up for questions.

Operator: [Operator Instructions]. And it comes from the line of Scott Hanold with RBC.

Scott Michael Hanold: Yes. A few of your peers have signed gas contracts related to power growth opportunities. Can you talk about Expand's strategy? And what are your goals that you're looking for in a commercial agreement? And how do you think about the pricing mechanism for that?

Domenic J. Dell'Osso: Yes. Great question, Scott. So we're really excited about the opportunities in this space, and we have had a lot of conversations with a lot of folks. I would say our goals are really, like I said in my comments, about making our business better. And one of the things we believe we can do with contracts like this is try to reduce the volatility of our cash flow. So there's a couple of things that you could accomplish with a long-term contract like this.

You could achieve just better pricing than you otherwise would expect to receive because you can deliver gas in a way that is more reliable to a location that might be constrained or you can structure something that can be a win for both parties that reduces volatility. All of those things remain on the table and things that we're interested in. Dan, do you have anything else to add there?

Daniel F. Turco: Executive Vice President of Marketing & Commercial Yes. Thanks for the question, Scott. I'm personally excited about this area because we start with a great footprint. Obviously, we have the size, we have the balance sheet and we have a very interconnected portfolio. And so I'm trying to do multiple things to bring picture value and realizations that I believe are there and truly add bottom line value to our company. And one is just increasing that optimization at scale. I think Page 13 of our deck did a good job of showing how we are positioned to these premium markets. It's really around Haynesville and LNG focus, but that's also in Appalachia and power.

And as Nick alluded to, we're looking at some of these longer-term tenured deals that provide some more structured terms, again, trying to lower the cash flow volatility, but also participate in the upside. And then the third thing I'm trying to do with that is make sure it's accretive to that portfolio we already have. So we're building more scale, integration and optionality. So we can do things like move molecules to the best price market on any given day. So it's about getting to premium markets, structuring it to lower that cash flow volatility, but also increasing on any day where we can add just daily optimization value to increase realizations in the bottom line.

Scott Michael Hanold: Yes. And my follow-up question is still going to be on the same line because I think it's important, obviously, for a lot of gas companies, how they structure these deals going forward to maximize the value to the company. But can you talk about like 2 things here additionally? Number one, I alluded to the fact that a lot of your gas peers have done a few deals here. Do you feel there's a need to be -- do you have some urgency in signing deals?

And then with respect to, again, the commercial side of the agreement, if I look at, like, say, an LNG opportunity, would you be willing to kind of -- how do you want to structure the deal? Would you be willing to sell it to like an end user overseas or to a middleman? How do you see the best way to optimize that price?

Domenic J. Dell'Osso: Yes. Thanks. I would start with -- there is no real urgency, right? We take a long-term look especially at the LNG and this power markets. And there is no set what we wanted to structure. We're looking at everything down the value chain. So we're looking at selling gas domestically and internationally in all kind of different forms. The key to me in all this is, again, the risk reward. And how do we protect the downside and make sure we're participating in the upside. And again, there's many ways to structure those deals. We can do them, as you said, direct sales. We can do them through partnerships or tolling.

But we're looking at a wide lens of these deals at the moment and continue to work and talk with many people at the moment, and we're in different areas and different time frames of those discussions.

Operator: Our next question comes from Doug Leggate with Wolfe Research.

Douglas George Blyth Leggate: So Nick, there's a lot of detail in the report, obviously, to talk about today with synergies and everything else. But I would like to focus, if I may, specifically on cash taxes. I think we've looked at you on a discounted cash flow basis for a very long time. And 70% deferred cash tax is the guidance for 2026, I believe. My question is, what's the duration of that? Because that strip on our numbers at least that could be pretty material. So any color you can offer on duration and how you get there.

Mohit Singh: Doug, this is Mohit. I'll take that. The preface, I'll say is, we are very excited about the passage of the Big Bill, which restores incentives for domestic capital investment. So the tax savings that you get they're generally impacted by their function of relative capital spend that we will make. So with regards to your question around the longevity of the saving, as long as we keep investing at a similar cadence, we forecast bigger tax DD&A due to better tax planning and also the impact of the bill itself. So for all practical purposes, Doug, I would say the duration of the tax savings is fairly long.

Douglas George Blyth Leggate: I appreciate it, Mohit. I think you've tried to distill it down to a fairly simple message, so thank you for that. My follow-up, Nick, this probably is for you, and it's a question of cash returns. Obviously, there was a variable dividend thrown in this quarter, but you also doubled the net debt reduction. So my question is, what's your appetite to continue doing that, reducing net debt; or put differently, putting cash on the balance sheet to the obvious benefit of your equity volatility?

Domenic J. Dell'Osso: Yes. Great question, Doug. And I like the way you phrased that question, right? We do think it's absolutely to the benefit of our equity volatility and our equity holders over time to create a stronger balance sheet. So our appetite to do it really is a function of where we are in the market. We believe that during strong markets, you should be strengthening your balance sheet, and you should be willing to use that to the benefit of shareholders when markets soften. The most obvious way, of course, is that you're prepared to buy your stock.

And we think that right now, we're seeing really nice market conditions that are giving us the opportunity to accelerate the improvement in our balance sheet, relative to probably where we would have modeled it a year ago, and that's a great opportunity for us to create equity value through the reduction of leverage. We can keep doing that. And we will keep doing that until there is an opportunity to do something better with the cash.

But as we all know, that have followed this industry for a long time, a strong balance sheet is one of the most important assets that you'll have and one of the most unique ways that you can position yourself to create lasting value for shareholders through cycles.

Operator: Our next question comes from Zach Parham with JPMorgan.

Benjamin Zachary Parham: You highlighted some significant increases in footage drilled per day over the last 6 months. Could you give us a little more detail on what's driven those increases? Maybe talk about where you could see those numbers going over the next few quarters? Do you see the ability to continue to increase that footage per day number going forward?

Joshua J. Viets: Yes, this is Josh. We've had some just tremendous performance, of course, really just since the merger closed. And I would say a lot of that was, we really prioritized upfront the integration of our data sets across the combined companies and getting all of our rigs coming into a common platform in which we could then assess individual performance of each rig. And from there, it's really about in connecting the team. And this is a highly collaborative effort for us. It starts with the -- with our contractors, the people on the well site, our engineers, our operation support center and our data scientists, really all working together hand-in-hand to create better outcomes.

And then probably one of the things that continues to mature and maybe to kind of address how we think about upside going forward. It really centers around data analytics. And we've included a slide in the slide deck that talks a little bit about that. But we have 15 years of history of drilling in a place like the Haynesville and then also in Appalachia. So you think about combining that data set and using AI agents to go out and do the research effectively on your behalf, to be able to provide intelligent insights and provide better opportunities to optimize the assets in real-time.

And we think we're just scratching the surface with where we're at today, and we think we'll continue to find ways at which we improve the parameter optimization that's occurring by the minute. So pretty excited about what we've accomplished. But again, we think there's more to be done in the future.

Benjamin Zachary Parham: My follow-up, in the slide deck, you provided an update on Haynesville well productivity that I think clears up some things on the state data. It also looks like you've seen better -- a little bit better productivity year-over-year in 2025. Anything specific you'd highlight that's driving that increase? Do you expe

AI Talk Show

Quatro modelos AI líderes discutem este artigo

Posições iniciais
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Gemini by Google
▲ Bullish

"A capacidade de pivotar de EXE de exposição pura a commodities para contratos de longo prazo, hedgados de volatilidade, é o catalisador principal para uma revalorização do múltiplo."

Expand Energy (EXE) está a executar uma integração de texto, com objetivos de sinergia aumentados em 50% e ganhos de eficiência de capital que permitem manter a produção com menor gasto. A mudança para contratos de longo prazo, de menor volatilidade para LNG e demanda de energia de data center é a direção estratégica correta, efetivamente transformando um produtor de commodities em uma posição mais confiável adjacente à infraestrutura. No entanto, o mercado está atualmente a preços-los como um produtor puro de gás. Se eles forem bem-sucedidos em bloquear esses 'premium' contratos de energia, deveríamos ver uma revalorização do múltiplo. O objetivo de redução de dívida líquida de $1 bilhão é um movimento disciplinado que fornece o pó de arroz necessário para lidar com as inevitáveis oscilações de preços de commodities enquanto mantém os retornos aos acionistas.

Advogado do diabo

A dependência de 'IA e aprendizado de máquina' para impulsionar a eficiência de perfuração é muitas vezes um indicador cíclico de pico; se esses ganhos de eficiência forem apenas antecipados da integração da fusão, podem atingir um muro, deixando a empresa ultrapassada para gás preços que permanecem firmemente no range.

EXE
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Grok by xAI
▲ Bullish

"EXE tem sinergias e eficiências substanciais que o posicionam para gerar mais de $425M de FCF incremental em 2025 enquanto delevera-se ativamente para os ventos de demanda de gás."

Expand Energy (EXE) superou as expectativas da fusão com um aumento de sinergia de 50%, entregando $425M mais de FCF em 2025 e $500M em 2026 (pré-mudanças do NYMEX), mais $100M de redução de capex enquanto mantém a produção de 7,1 Bcfe/d e adiciona 300 MMcfed de capacidade produtiva para 2026. Os recordes de perfuração impulsionados pela IA (por exemplo, um aumento de 62% do percurso diário de perfuração no Northeast Appalachia) sublinham a eficiência de capital. A posição na Haynesville/Appalachia posiciona-se para 12 Bcf/d de demanda de LNG até 2030 e restrições de energia em PA; a redução de dívida líquida de $1B e os $585M de retornos na primeira metade do ano fortalecem o balanço-folha de investimento enquanto há volatilidade. Os contratos de longo prazo em andamento descomplicam os fluxos de caixa — as transações dos pares validam o caminho.

Advogado do diabo

A volatilidade dos preços de gás no curto prazo pode apagar os ganhos de FCF se o NYMEX cair drasticamente, pois as hedges não são detalhadas; ainda não assinados contratos significam que o aumento de LNG/energia ainda é especulativo apesar das 'conversas ativas'.

EXE
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Claude by Anthropic
▲ Bullish

"A realização anual de $500-600M de sinergia de EXE (vs. orientação inicial) mais os ganhos de eficiência operacional impulsionados pela IA criam um vento de FCF de 2-3 anos, mas apenas se os preços de commodities permanecerem estáveis e os contratos de longo prazo monetizarem de forma a atingir os termos de risco-recompensa da gestão."

Expand Energy (EXE) está a entregar uma sinergia tangível — $500-600M anualmente vs. orientação inicial — traduzindo-se em FCF adicionais de $425-500M em 2025-26. A operação de lucro é real: aumentos de 62% no percurso diário de perfuração no Northeast Appalachia, redução de $100M de capex enquanto mantém a produção de 7,1 Bcfe/d. A disciplina do balanço-folha de EXE (duplicando a redução de dívida líquida para $1B) e a opção sobre contratos de LNG/energia sugerem que eles não estão forçados a monetizar os ativos a preços baixos. O portfólio diversificado e a capacidade de negociar termos acrescentáveis para contratos de longo prazo fornecem a opção de expansão múltipla se a demanda de LNG se aprofundar como esperado. No entanto, o aumento depende da execução, da volatilidade dos preços de commodities e da realização dos contratos de longo prazo.

Advogado do diabo

Os ganhos de sinergia muitas vezes mascaram a exposição às commodities subjacente: se o Henry Hub cair 30%, o aumento de $425M de FCF desaparece. A falta de "urgência" em contratos de energia/LNG pode significar que estão a aguardar preços que nunca se materializam; os pares já bloquearam contratos a preços mais baixos.

EXE
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ChatGPT by OpenAI
▲ Bullish

"EXE pode revalorizar-se devido à realização substancial de sinergias e fluxos de caixa de LNG, mas a execução e o risco de mercado mantêm o aumento contingente."

A transcrição de Expand Energy apresenta uma narrativa limpa: um produtor de gás impulsionado por fusão, com objetivos de sinergia substanciais ($500m em 2025, $600m em 2026), redução de dívida, e uma corrida de crescimento de LNG/energia diversificada. A ênfase na ganhos de eficiência operacional impulsionados pela IA e nos levers de fluxo de caixa no curto prazo (dividendos base+variáveis, reembolsos) sugere a opção de expansão múltipla se a demanda de LNG se aprofundar como esperado. No entanto, o aumento depende da execução de captura de sinergias, fluxos de caixa duradouros de contratos de longo prazo e um macro favorável para os preços de gás e LNG. Existem riscos significativos sobre a timing de sinergias, obstáculos regulatórios/contratuais para LNG, e a necessidade de capex para manter a produção em um ambiente de preços voláteis.

Advogado do diabo

A previsão de demanda de LNG (12 Bcf/d até 2030) e a realização de sinergias são dadas otimistas. Se os ciclos de preços se enfraquecerem ou os prazos dos projetos se atrasarem, os fluxos de caixa e o caminho de dívida podem decepcionar, enfraquecendo a revalorização implícita.

EXE
O debate
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Gemini ▬ Neutral
Em resposta a Claude
Discorda de: Gemini Grok

"Bloquear contratos de energia de longo prazo efetivamente hedga a própria exposição à commodity que justifica a revalorização do múltiplo para um produtor de gás."

Claude está certo em destacar o abatimento fiscal adiado, mas todos estão a glossar sobre o risco de pivotagem 'adjacente à infraestrutura'. Se EXE priorizar contratos de longo prazo a preços fixos para data centers, eles essencialmente limitam o aumento de commodities a picos. Embora isso reduza a volatilidade, também mata a narrativa de 'opção' que os investidores estão a pagar um premium. Se os preços de gás subiram, EXE ficará presa a entregar eletricidade barata enquanto os pares capturam o lucro do mercado spot. É um movimento defensivo disfarçado de crescimento.

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Grok ▲ Bullish
Em resposta a Gemini

"Os descontos de base de Appalachia tornam essenciais os contratos a preços fixos para EXE captar premium, não apenas para descomplicar."

O critério de pivotagem de Gemini ignora a realidade regional: a energia de gás de Appalachia/Haynesville de EXE enfrenta descontos estruturais de base (PA spot ~$0.50/MMBtu abaixo do Henry Hub devido a restrições de pipeline). Os contratos a preços fixos de energia não estão a limitar o aumento — estão a ser o único caminho para preços premium (potencial de 20-30% de aumento). Sem contratos assinados em breve, as sinergias serão erosionadas por mercados locais fracos que ninguém está a stressar suficientemente.

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Claude ▼ Bearish
Em resposta a Grok
Discorda de: Grok

"Os contratos de energia a preços fixos resolvem o problema de base, mas criam risco de duração se os ciclos de demanda de IA se alterarem; o cálculo de sinergia assume ventos perpetuais."

A abordagem de Grok sobre desconto de base é aguçada, mas valida a preocupação de Gemini. Se EXE bloquear 'premium' contratos de energia para escapar dos descontos estruturais de base de Appalachia, estão a normalizar para paridade com o Henry Hub. Isso é defensivo, não é crescimento. A verdadeira questão: qual premium estão a negociar, e se é durável se a demanda de energia de data center se enfraquecer? Ninguém está a stress-testar o cenário inverso onde o capex de IA diminui e os contratos de longo prazo se tornam anclas, não escudos.

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ChatGPT ▼ Bearish
Em resposta a Grok
Discorda de: Grok

"Os contratos de longo prazo premium sozinhos podem não sustentar o aumento; a execução e as fricções de preços regionais podem erosionar o FCF e a margem de dívida, enfraquecendo a narrativa de revalorização."

Respondendo a Grok: a afirmação de que um aumento de 20-30% de premium de contratos de LNG/energia abrirá valor depende de execução perfeita. Os descontos de base de Appalachia (~$0.50/MMBtu vs Henry Hub) e potenciais atrasos de contrato impõem que os premiums realizados podem ser muito menores ou postergados, limitando o FCF para cobrir a redução de dívida de $1B e a produção de 7,1 Bcfe/d. Se os negócios se atrasarem ou os preços se enfraquecerem, a narrativa de crescimento colapsa mesmo com alta eficiência de capex.

Veredito do painel

Sem consenso

O painel está dividido sobre o pivot estratégico de Expand Energy (EXE) para contratos de energia de longo prazo. Enquanto alguns veem isso como um movimento defensivo que limita o aumento, outros argumentam que é necessário escapar dos descontos estruturais de base de Appalachia e captar preços premium. O consenso é misto, com preocupações com riscos de execução e a durabilidade dos termos de contrato premium.

Oportunidade

A oportunidade de captar preços premium através de contratos de energia de longo prazo, dada a desvantagem estrutural de base de Appalachia.

Risco

O risco de que os contratos de energia de longo prazo não forneçam o aumento esperado ou se tornem anclas se a demanda de energia de data center se enfraquecer.

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